63 ft / 19.2 m Custom - Sleeps 6 guests

From: $26,000 To: $29,900

Chartering in East Coast United States


Operating in East Coast United States

WHEN and IF, the Alden schooner whose build was commissioned by World War II General George Patton to sail on a circumnavigation he didn’t live to take, has joined the Nicholson fleet.

The much-celebrated wooden schooner was built in 1939 in Wiscasset, Maine. Beloved for her looks, pedigree, and the guests and owners she’s carried, WHEN and IF can take 32 passengers on daysails. She accommodates six guests for term charters and is available throughout New England-Long Island through the summer and early fall of 2019. In winter, she shifts operation to Key West, Florida.

The design brief is one that has yet to be fulfilled.

“When and If was a new idea: a yacht which would maintain all her classic beauty and hold her own in recreational racing whilst being sturdy, comfortable, safe and luxurious enough to take a family on the voyage of a lifetime,” Patton wrote. “When the war is over, and If I live through it, Bea and I are going to sail her around the world.”

Patton died in December 1945 from injuries sustained in a car accident. The Patton family kept the schooner until 1972 when the General’s nephew, Neal Ayer, donated it to the Landmark school in Prides Crossing, Massachusetts, where she was the platform of a sail training program for dyslexic children. Patton was a severe dyslexic.

She was refit/relaunched in 1994 by Gannon & Benjamin in Vineyard Haven, Massachusetts, and was a familiar and popular summer figure in waters off Martha’s Vineyard. In winter, her then-owners took her south to the Caribbean. In 2012 she was refit by then-owner Doug Hazlitt, known for his restoration of the Alden MALABAR X.

Current owner Seth Salzmann worked on the refit for Hazlitt, purchasing WHEN AND IF from him in 2015.

Salzmann is busy; he’s also the captain of the schooner COLUMBIA, a 141-foot steel hulled replica of the Gloucester schooner designed by Starling Burgess and built in 1923 in Essex, Massachusetts. Dylan Salzmann, brother of Seth Salzmann, is the skipper of WHEN AND IF.

It’s the intention of the Salzmanns to ensure WHEN AND IF fulfills her destiny.

“Everything we do is part of a revenue-building program designed to make it possible for her to sail around the world at last,” Seth says.

WHEN and IF is available for term charters, regattas, and daysails of four and eight hours in Key West for winter season 2020.

Daysail maximum number of guests is 32; guests may bring food and drink. Coolers are provided with ice and bottled water.

Regatta Racing Fun: WHEN and IF can handle a crew of 12 for racing. Rates include six party/event/dinner tickets; guests must have overnight accommodation ashore. Prices included yacht delivery and re-delivery fees.

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Saloon Dining Area

Pilot House

Master Cabin

Starboard Cabin



63 ft / 19.2 m

Year Built


Sleeping Guests


Cruising Speeds

8 kts / 14.8 km/h



15 ft / 4.6 m




Captain: Seth Salzmann + 1

VAT Registered



8 ft 5 in / 2.57 m


John Alden



United States

US Duty Paid




  • BBQ



  • 9ft/3m RIB 40hp


  • Insured for diving
  • Snorkeling Gear

Crew Profile

Captain: Seth Salzmann

WHEN AND IF’s Captain Seth Salzmann has over 15 years' captaincy behind him on some of the most unique classic boats afloat including Schooner COLUMBIA. He has logged tens of thousands of miles the Fife schooner ADVENTURESS, Alden schooner WHEN AND IF and Alden racing schooner MALABAR X rank among his most recent commands, along with a slew of well-known East Coast schooners in the USA.

A deep and abiding passion for sailing and the ocean, coupled with 20 years in Guest Experience at sea have given Seth an unparalleled talent for sculpting a fun, safe, successful charter in all weathers according to the requirements of his guests. And if the weather really is that bad, two decades at sea have equipped him with stories well worth hearing over a cozy dinner down below!

Well-known for his calm demeanour under pressure, his advocacy for independent thinking and professional advancement in his crew, and his talent for doing what "can't be done" under sail, Seth is acknowledged among the Old Salts as one of the last true schooner captains.

Chef & Stewardess: Jenny Salzmann

Jenny is proud to make the care of her guests and crew her first consideration. Her quest for The Perfect Drink For Every Occasion has started her down the path of craft cocktail making and she strives to serve any beverage at any angle of heel under sail. She loves a bit of sailing and if the deck crew have room for her she'll gladly take a sheet for a race and furl topsails at the end of the day if there is time. However, more often than not she'll be making bunks, polishing brass, arranging flowers, creating drinks, laying tables, stocking fridges, and cleaning something.


Master Cabin: Double berth to port, single berth to starboard, access to ensuite. Large overhead hatch creates a light, airy cabin.

Starboard Cabin: Cosy double berth with plenty of storage space

Focsle: One wide-single and one single bunk, both with privacy curtains. Large overhead hatch makes a light, airy space

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63 ft / 19.2 m
Guests 6
From $26,000

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